doodle revisions

after a 3rd analysis and physically practicing with pencil, i figured out more stuff I'm missing, overall i can say i need to work pretty loose on this style without too much thinking on correct proportions and more to make it look good doesn't matter if i break them as long as it looks good visually *this is hard because usually if you see the doodle from another angle it looks awful, so you need to be careful that it looks loose but not broken

probably next practice will be new doodles, i revisited these ones because when i cant deconstruct an style i hate to work with it because i don't like the result, but with this I'm getting better with it so i will be practicing new doodles in the future 

this is the process i always do when i can't get a style, one of the reasons why I'm slow to draw